I don't think recruiting goes on in Hastings. If you were raised through the catholic school system, and wrestled, you wrestle for St Cecilia. Adams Central most times is the country guys who don't live in the school district. The only recruiting that goes on is at the club level, and that's just to prevent shrinking numbers in the local wrestling club.

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What is all the hate towards Skutt? Who cares if they recruit or not?

I do and you should too. Recruiting is unsporting and makes a mockery of the high school wrestling system.

Billy -- I agree with you. All I ask is that somebody provide PROOF that ANY team is recruiting and put it in the hands of the NSAA. If the evidence is solid and the NSAA stands behind its laws (which is sometimes suspect), they will take care of the situation.

Either the accusations need to be backed up by evidence, or the energy that is being wasted on said accusations need to be redirected toward working on a goal of being the team that knocks Skutt off the perch.

Here,here, If as much energy was put into the wrestling room as it was toward Skutt, maybe someone could knock them off!

I've always hated hearing a wrestler talk about who they have to wrestle! I've always told them go beat them and you won't have to worry about them the rest of the day! so, i say to all the Skutt haters go beat them!

Isn't 'open enrollment' the type of legislation that encourages recruiting? I believe thats the law in Nebraska. I believe I've received mail from school districts pumping their chests about how good they are (deshler and cedar bluffs are the two that I have received, and I belive Yutan does something in the Omaha paper once a month maybe). I've even seen advertisements prior to movies that boldly state how good a school is and why students should want to attend. Success breeds success. I just want to know how to start the cycle! Is it a bad thing to want more "Skutts", instead of trying to have less of them? I want more powerhouses and I want to have kids that want to wrestle them!

By the way, I don't know of any schools just west of the platte river near omaha that need varsity wrestlers. And even if there was one, surely they wouldn't have a coach who knew what he was doing, or a new wrestling room, or an environment for learning inside the classroom that was worth a darn. If there was a sarcasm emicon, I would NOT place it here!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chiefstorm: "Success breeds success. I just want to know how to start the cycle! Is it a bad thing to want more "Skutts", instead of trying to have less of them? I want more powerhouses and I want to have kids that want to wrestle them![QUOTE]

Well stated, Rick. Right now Skutt has things going so they are probably 20% better than their leading competition. So if Skutt is wrestling at an arbitrary "10" the leading competitors are wrestling at about "8". The smart coaches know that if Skutt goes up to "11" they will go to "8.8". Conversely, if Skutt falls to "9" they will fall to "7.2".

Schools like Skutt may hold a fairly good (and in my opinion) well-deserved reputation for the quality of their wrestlers when universities are scouting for tallent. But that's only one factor and not necessarily the linchpin to climb the ladder of success in the sport of wrestling in our state.

1) Simple logic would show that schools with stacked line-ups have the least chance to reward a fairly competitive kid in the immediate future. In some cases, is not as easy as "just cut weight/ add weight" to get the slot.

2) I think each high school in our state has the freedom to benchmark the good training and committment tips that Skutt applies, which I believe was the original reason for this mail-string to start. Skutt's methods are not a secret. Brad Hildebrandt and Todd Menelly have been very gracious in sharing their techniques and open mat/camp whenever they've had one.

A kid who decides to wrestle for Skutt, chances are, even if "recruited", will most likely have a challenging time trying to get the varsity spot, as the lineup may be heavy loaded. Not every kid in the Skutt wrestling squad gets the varsity spot...and even if projected for the year after, it's still highly competitive based on who else shows up to challenge, or weight adjustments which may not be the most pleasant to maintain/wrestle at.

If the motive for a kid to wrestle in our state is to make a varsity spot which in turn will open the door for him to get a chance to wrestle at districts, state, and out of state, then a school with a more open line-up may be his best chance to succeed .......IF he's seriously committed + his coach is the type the type that is willing to go the extra mile (network for more mat-time off-season, etc).

AB

Do I hate scutt? NO
Do I think they have good coaches? YES
Do I think their coaches are better than all other Hs wrestling coaches? No!

Scutt has had alot of great wrestler come through their program. I think everyone can agree there. People get angry when all credit for scutts wrestlers is given to only the scutt coaches, and not to the coaches at these kids previous high schools.
Again I am not bashing scutt Coaches,program, ect..

They just have more talent to work with than most schools. That is the secret, have kids in the room that know what they are doing. Teach them a few things, and work them out year around.

EVERYONE HATES A WINNER (ALMOST) SCUTT IS A GREAT WRESTLING PROGRAM AND IF YOU DONT LIKE THE WAY THEY DO THINGS, GET OVER IT. THERE ARE OTHER SCHOOLS IN THE STATE THAT DO DIFFERENT THINGS TO GET MORE STUDENTS. THERE IS A SMALL CLASS D SCHOOL OUT WEST THAT SENDS A BUS TO SOUTH DAKOTA TO PICK UP STUDENTS TO GO TO THEIR SCHOOL AND ALSO TAKES THEM HOME EVERY SCHOOL DAY.THEY DO THIS FOR MANY REASONS, INDIAN ED. MONEY,SPORTS,ENROLLMENT, ECT.

WHY ARE WE YELLING

well a couple of years ago on this very forum was an artical from the omwh and it had the stats public verses private school.if i recall correctly private won about double what they should of according to the stats in all sports.
texas has seperate division private and public.
nsaa hasnt got the backbone or will to clean up this problem and everyone knows it
and yes i hope i ruffled some feathers

The Skutt supporters want to say all it is is hard work and everyone has the same opportunities. They say if every other team did the same they would have the same success.

I say they are all wrong. Skutt does have advantages that others dont. Skutt has a metro area of about 1/2 million people to draw from. Most Class B schools dont have that opportunity.

Yes they work hard and have good coaches but a lot of teams work hard and have good coaches. If Hildebrandt moved to Broken Bow would he have the same success. He may have some success but he could not win 12 state titles in a row there.

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Originally posted by SlvrHwk:
Right off the top of my head:

Ryan Salisbury, state medalist
Mike Stephenson, state medalist
Marcus Odorisio, state qualifier
Sean Quinlan, state qualifier
Alex Mohanna, state medalist
Seth Kolar, state medalist
Charles Olson, state qualifier

None of these guys had an extensive wrestling background.

4 state medalist over 15 years or however long Skutt has been around? Thats all you can come up with? No way does that make a team that can sustain 12 years of success.

Airborne, Ouch!

Nuke- Your right Nebraska needs 5 classes instead of the four it already has. That would solve the problems.

Put Skutt in Class A and they would never win a state championship. They have never beaten any Class A schools and never will be able to. Every school in the metro area can draw from 1/2 million people with open enrollment. Skutt must be doing the same things as all those other schools in the metro area.

and just when I think you can't say anything stupider. Your mouth opens and wham there it is.

Mr. Freeze -- I'm not sure which planet you got beamed down from, but Skutt not only beats Class A competition on a REGULAR basis (can't remember the last time Millard South or any of the other A schools that compete at the Skyhawk Invite have come out ahead of Skutt), but I think that if they moved up to Class A they might FURTHER dominate the field because it's so easy to qualify in Class A as compared to Class B.

Consider -- only 32 schools make up Class A, which means HALF of the wrestlers who compete in a full bracket at districts qualify. HALF!!! And that's assuming the bracket is FULL...often times a Class A district has numerous brackets with less than eight wrestlers, some with no more than four, which means EVERYBODY in that bracket qualifies for state.

In Class B, there are 12 schools per district, and the number of brackets that go half-empty is considerably less, meaning there are more opportunities for SOMEBODY to knock a Skutt kid out of a state bid. If Class A had as many schools per district as B does, you'd see a lot fewer kids with sub-.500 records qualify for state each year.

I agree that Skutt should compete with the higher-enrollment schools, but don't for one minute think they can't hang with the best in Class A. Do they win 10 in a row? Probably not...but they would win it a lot more often than you might think.

And note to Angrybilly -- if there's one thing I've learned in over 25 years in the media business, it's that the words "Now I've seen/read/heard it all" will ALWAYS be followed by something that will have you realizing that you have NOT seen/read/heard it all...examples of that seem to jump out at me on a daily basis.

NWI,

If I'm reading Mr Freeze right I think there's a little "Tongue and Cheek" going on in his message...

Actually Mr pin I think its more like head up the ....... oh well you know what I mean

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Originally posted by SlvrHwk:
Right off the top of my head:

Ryan Salisbury, state medalist
Mike Stephenson, state medalist
Marcus Odorisio, state qualifier
Sean Quinlan, state qualifier
Alex Mohanna, state medalist
Seth Kolar, state medalist
Charles Olson, state qualifier

None of these guys had an extensive wrestling background.

4 state medalist over 15 years or however long Skutt has been around? Thats all you can come up with? No way does that make a team that can sustain 12 years of success.

Airborne, Ouch!

Are there any schools that can come up with a long list of good wrestlers who started high school without an extensive wrestling background. I doubt if there are due to the many opportunities for kids of all ages in the club programs.