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<RAT>
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You may believe in life after death, but you just killed the conversation on this board. We are interested only in your wrestling views. Please find another web site to discuss your religous views.
It sounds like you are already making excuses for not winning a second state championship.
Rookie
Location: Lincoln, NE
Registered: October 23, 2002
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Coach McCurdy has always had this same philosophy long before we won state. He does a very good job relating wrestling and God. He has impacted my life greatly through his faith with God. If you have a problem with it, tough. Just don't read his passages.
NWI
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Location: Gretna NE
Registered: October 20, 2002
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Frankly speaking, I think Marty relates our sport and our Savior very well, and it has shown a side of him that I wasn't aware of, but am very impressed by.

One of the great things about America is that you have the freedom to express on whatever topic it is you choose. You also have the freedom to not agree...or even not listen...to those experessions. There are over a hundred topics on the board...if this one isn't your cup of joe, there are plenty more to choose from.
Novice
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Location: Curtis, NE USA
Registered: October 28, 2002
Posts: 278
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After reading Marty's post, how fortunate are the parents of the kids he coaches.
Novice
Registered: October 19, 2002
Posts: 261
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Coach McCurdy gave all readers a choice - just skip his post if you don't want to read it. I exercise that option whenever I read the garbage posts on the previous websites, but I do read his posts because I choose to read them. If you don't want to read them, then follow his advice and skip to the next post!
<scarpanther>
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i agree that keeping god as a part of one's life is extremely important, and it should stay with someone during all walks of life, including wrestling. that being said, this forum was not created for religious debate, it was created to discuss wrestling. nwi, how many times between this forum and the last have you criticized someone for straying from the topic of wrestling? i see nothing wrong with that, but you shouldn't just try to censor topics that you don't agree with. be fair across the board. (and no, i'm not trying to take a shot at you; i have nothing but respect for what you do for wrestling in nebraska.)
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I was trying to stay out of this. I thought about closing the topic but I don't want to censor things on the board unless it gets really bad. I don't mind if we get off topics of wrestling and I agree that if you don't want to read things you can choose not to. The one reason we are all on the board is because we're all fanatics about wrestling. Hopefully the board will continue to be used to further the one common thing we all have-we're all wrestling fans.
NWI
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Location: Gretna NE
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Mr. Scar, you'll see that a lot of what Marty is talking about ties into what he does as a wrestling coach and what he asks of his wrestlers. I appreciate and agree with your desire to keep the talk centered around wrestling, however. But I think the sport can be a useful tool to teach us a lot about life and, ultimately, ourselves. And it's great that somebody like Marty has been able to stick his neck out there and stand behind his beliefs and utilize them to better himself and, ultimately, his wrestlers.
rmh
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Location: Imperial, NE
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Just think how nice it would be if more people put God first in their lives. Marty, your kids are fortunate to have you for a coach.
Rookie
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Location: Lincoln, NE
Registered: November 13, 2002
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Please don't bash one of the most credible men on the forum, it only gives yourself less credibility. Coach McCurdy does not go around forcing religion upon all the viewers of his posts. He simply speaks about religion and how it pertains to his life and his coaching philosophy. I think it's great that he's not afraid to hide his religion, and if you don't like it, take a second or two to just scroll down the page and quit complaining.
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Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
Registered: October 23, 2002
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First of all I don't believe Coach McCurdy was making excuses, he was giving proper respect to the opponents. He was also stating he wants his kids to work hard. I am sure they will do that, and in my opinion should repeat.

Second, in my opinion, coaching as in every aspect if you do not have God your life will be empty. Words like perservance, passion, patience and humility are things we as coaches deal with all the time. There are great examples especially in Paul's letters on how to deal with these.

Third, Marty keep writing! I have seen first hand how your work with kids has paid off. The East High kids along with Coach Skiles that helped with the middle school SportReach camp, are excellent role models of what you want young men to be. Many of them came as participants the next week with Coach Blair and again very respectful, humble young men. I hope kids I have coached turn out the same way.
<Pat Roberts>
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The most troubling aspect of all of these posts is that fact that one of McCurdy's wrestlers has indicated "He does a very good job relating wrestling and God. He has impacted my life greatly through his faith with God."
This is very wrong! He should not be discussing his views with any of his students. He should not be leading prayer session with them either. There is a thing in public education called separation of church and state. McCurdy is leading himself to some real problems that God will not be able to help him on. That is called a lawsuit. All it will take is one student or wrestler to discuss with his parents that he is sharing religious beliefs and have the parents take offense, as I would and file a suit. The good folks of the Lincoln district would not be able to fend off the suit, especially since there is clear evidence, even on this forum that he is sharing his views with students and wrestlers.
Marty, it is OK to be the religious wizard of your own family and church. But you should keep your opinions to yourself when it comes to the students and athletes of your school. The law demands it!
rmh
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Location: Imperial, NE
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Explain to me why every person has the right to speak their beliefs but the ones who have the most contact with young people -- teachers!! I don't personally know Mr. McCardy, but from what I read here he is a person I would like if I met him. He stands up for what he believes, more of us should be ready to take that stand. If we bought in to your view, Imperial would lose a very good assistant coach, he is a Wesleyan minister. Does he preach to the boys? No. Is he there for them is they want to talk about God, of course. Should this disqualify him from coaching in a public school - NO.
<Billy Graham>
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First of all, you have to believe that there really is a god. And second if you are from a different religion, you do not have the same beliefs. There fore if I choose to educate my children on my beliefs or lack of beliefs that is my work as a parent. Not that of a schoolteacher, coach, or other minister that thinks that they have the answers. The fact that many so-called Christians want to impart their beliefs on others is wrong. First off, you have to prove that there is a god. At this point in time, there is no scientific proof to substantiate your claim that there is. Just because millions of people have bought into the idea based on a strong religious union, does not make it so. Most people that I know that claimed to be children of god are in fact some of the most deceitful, manipulative, greedy folks I know. How can someone that claims to follow the way of the Lord, be in Church every Sunday, still hurt people in many ways and not even follow the 10 commandments. By the way is a good Sci Fi movie. Great special effects!
So for all of you do gooders that think you have the religious knowledge my child needs. Keep it to yourself! Your job is to lead your own lives, not impart your false beliefs on my child!
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Registered: October 19, 2002
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I do not believe Coach McCurdy stated in his post that he sits down and has prayer sessions with his wrestlers. Maybe he does, and probably, he doesn't. However, you should limit your responses to the facts stated in his post - not by making assumptions and accusations that he is violating the law. You might be cautious in your posts that you avoid statements that could be considered libel.
<toothache>
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If you had a toothache how could you prove it to me that you had pain, how could I believe you really were in pain? But you know, don't you. Why such rebellion? No one ever said to put your eyes on man because man will always fail, but there is one who will not fail you. Take your eyes off of us and put your eyes on him. And I don't beleive that anyone is forcing anything on anybody. This is america and you can choose to participate or not to participate. I'm sorry you have been hurt by those who profess to be christians and fooled by some of those on tv. We will fail. Really we are to put others before ourselves, to be compassionate to others who are hurting. I don't want you to stop at me, I am to point you to him. Now let's get back to the reason we have this forum WRESTLING, because I can't wait until the first match starts and this season get's moving!
<scarpanther>
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the entire basis of religion is faith. if there's proof, it's not faith, and it's not religion.

also, i realize that by posting this opinion i'm contradicting everything i said a few posts ago about the forum. when i hear something like what billy said, i can't just let it slide...
<Star of David>
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Of course Little Red if you were to ask the question, does Marty McCurdy lead a prayer session at his school, you would find the answer. TO claim that what was spoken is liable, you should have all your facts lined up. THe previous posts were speaking of quotes that his wrestlers have made on this forum!

As far as toothaches, you can prove them with scientific data! God you cannot. So to use quotes from the novel that you call bible and to request that eyes be taken off the prize and placed upon your author, is ludicrous. (Have you heard their new album?)

You are right, this is a wrestling forum, but as in all things related to religeon, it makes for great debate. We jsut have to be cautious of where and when we debate such topics. NOw I for one and going to go and try to download Micky Mouse's wrestling paper!
<scarpanther>
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billy, you said that just because millions of people believe something doesn't make it true. that would have been a valid point if you hadn't closed by saying, in effect, "because i don't believe it, that makes it false."
<Billy G>
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In the circle of life, there are many lessons. You are so correct in that you have to have Faith. George Michael was elegant in his rendition of the song. But the fact that people follow faith, it has led to many of the world's great tragedies. Have you tasted the grape cool aid? Followed the wrong general to war? Walked the wrong path? Faith is for fools. You must have facts to support your beliefs. How else do you answer a child who questions your parenthood or teaching because they have faith in another belief? Are you imposing your will on them? hmmmmmmmm?
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