Ribcage under the arm. Until I hear it from Donahoe himself, I refuse to believe that he would make a conscious decision to do something like this.

Clonesrule -- actually it's not difficult at all to put tatoos, birthmarks, moles -- pretty much ANY body marking can be put on a body thanks to Photoshop.

Like I said earlier -- if you know Photoshop well enough, you can take an image and change it COMPLETELY. We could even take a picture of you in full Iowegia Tech garb and turn you into a Husker fan faster than you can say "Cael Sanderson is God."

Big D -- I think that's what it's going to have to come down to...the fan of Nebraska wrestling and the human race wants me to believe these photos are fake, but I've seen, read and written about so many insane things done by otherwise-intelligent members of the human race that it doesn't surprise me anymore. Disappointed if it's true, yes...but surprised, no.

This is a bad, bad situation. If they were didn't participate in this. Don't you think we would have heard some kind of statement professing the innocence of the two wrestlers?

Yeah I hope it is not them and they sue the bejesus out of who ever is responsible. If it is them well I think they really gave our great sport a black eye.

Well what I am hearing in Skerville from a student athlete is as follows!
#1 It is them doing this.
#2 They were paid in the range of $1,600.00 each.
#3 The guy that paid them is also the guy that tipped off the media. Web hits to make money!

!ALL IS RUMOR NOT FROM EITHER PAUL OR KENNY!

And if you look at say the Brett Bomar instance in Oklahoma it was not that he got paid for working at the car lot it was that he got paid way to much for services rendered.

From doing some work with guys that shoot video on a professional basis doing Hunting shows I can tell you that the ones that make the most money in the Adult Entertainment Industry are Males in the Gay Porn side.
They guy I have worked with has several camera operator freinds in the So Cal and Florida areas and he stated males doing this type of thing make about 10 times what a male in straight work do or females do for that matter. If that is the case they were probably under paid and the Bomar case can be thrown out.

Code of Conduct, Ethics, Morality, what ever you want to call it may and should come into play but one BIG ? is whom the AD is. This will not only be a tough spot for Manning but TO may have a tough time justifying his actions here. Lets all remember a couple guys under his program that did some pretty embarrising things that were forgiven(may be the wrong word) or overlooked. Can you say Lawrence Phillips, Scott Baldwin, or maybe a Peter brother or 2, just a few names that come to mind. People were harmed in those instances and some to a point of almost life threatening.
While I do not condone what has taken place we all need to step back and ask our selves who was harmed (physically). Yes it is an embarresment to the state, the University, the program and to THE SPORT. But with no precedance out there who is to be the judge and jury? What will the sentence be? And can we forgive?

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Originally posted by NWI:

With today's modern graphic-manipulation tools (Photoshop, etc.), it's very easy to change a picture into something completely different. I could put my head from one picture on somebody else's body in another picture and manipulate it such that the untrained eye (and even the TRAINED eye, in some cases) wouldn't know the difference. I could put my head on, say, Brad Vering's body and -- unless you've seen me anytime in the past year or so or know my workout habits -- you'd think I'd been losing weight and training like a mad man.

You mean it's a fake??????

Dalton, you are 100% correct on the NCAA legislation. I was supposed to appear on a few posters that promoted Mixed Martial Arts events, and I had to tell promoters not to put my picture on there because it was an NCAA violation. The promotion was making money on my ugly mug. Same goes with fight purse, sponsorships, etc. It all has to do with keeping amateur status, and when one of these rules is violated, a 1-year suspension is usually the minimum. There is a possibility that this is the case, because this website does make money, and I am sure these 2 did too.

I don’t think the gay porn issue has written legislation, because teams, colleges, universities, etc have never contemplated this situation. Athletic Directors don’t address this either, probably because it is so blatantly obvious that this type of behavior is not acceptable. That is just very poor decision making done by these 2.

The Lincoln Journal Star had a good article (looked up on huskerextra.com) quoting an NCAA representative stating some of the "athletes being used for commercial gain" by-laws like I previously mentioned.

Weather or not they got paid standard, or underpaid is not the issue. I'm not saying every student-athlete has to always make min wage, but it better be reasonable. $1600 for 20 min, an hour, or even a day’s work for an NCAA athlete is not going to fly. S-a only make work-study type money for doing summer camps.

If a s-a can get $1600 for this, then why couldn't some booster give someone $1600 for doing a technique video. Institution A and B both get 9.9 schoolies, but institution A has boosters that can also pay s-a for doing technique videos all off season. We now have a way for boosters to launder money into amateur s-a , which then becomes a competitive advantage for that institution with those boosters. Therefore, it is illegal to make that kind of money.... across the board. Very different than the Bomar case, but the underlying rules are the same.

Good legislation gets voted down all the time on the NCAA convention floor if there is a hint of a loop hole that would provide a competitive advantage.

According to the OWH we should know more today. http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10404025 Sounds like they are not the first NCAA athletes just the first to get caught. The guy that paid them didnt tip off the media a different anti-husker website tipped them off.

The scarlet press website mentioned on the Omaha.com article states there were not only photos, but lewd videos as well. I suppose those are faked too? If they were faked, the first thing you would have heard from Donahoe and Jordan two days ago is that they're suing this guy, his mom, her dog and her uncle.

I'm with HB on this one. If these pics were fakes I can guarentee the boys would be screaming bloody murder.

It's looking more and more likely that these guys were looking for easy money and they found it in one the most degenerate ways possible. It's gonna cost them dearly. Both in status within the University and the destruction of their reputations. Oh, and if they are not gay (they're not are they?) no one will ever be able to look at them again without some very uncomfortable question popping into their heads.

Just heard on the radio that they are done!

Just saw on KETV that they have both been dismissed from the team. Hopefully this is something that the team will move on from and I hope this is the last we hear of ANY Nebraska athlete, regardless of sport and/or gender, lowering their standards to this level.

I just saw it on the news. Pretty sad. This is a tough lesson to learn about consequences for our actions. I think Manning based his decision on the A section in the student athletic handbook titled "Student-Athlete Rules" stating the following: "Always present a positive image; don't do anything to embarrass yourself, the team, your family or the University."
I feel for them and their families. This will be a tough road.

This should be utilized as a learning/teaching moment for all of us and those we are responsible for.

Too many people do not understand that their actions, regardless of how they perceive them, affect other people in one way or another. Too many people also do not understand that there are consequences, both good and bad, for every action we take. We are all responsible on an individual basis for whatever decision we choose to make and by making those decisions, we are ultimately responsible for any and all actions or repercussions caused by those decisions.

These two young men made decisions that will now follow them for a lifetime. We must be certain that the young people we are responsible for understand these things and how the decisions they make now can determine how they are perceived and their ability to thrive in the future can be affected by the decisions they make now.

WOW! I cannot believe all the ridiculous attitudes on this site! So if you get kicked off the team for being on a porn site you should also be kicked off the team for visitng a porn site??????? I mean if porn sites were not the most visited sites on the internet there would be no porn sites. Thus there would be no market for people to pose for these sites! Hmmmm I wonder if Manning went and checked the history of every wrestlers computer how many have not visited a porn site in the last 24 hours? And how many people posting on here have not visited one in the last 3 days? Kind of a dual standard is it not? Oh and then there is the Universty itself they pimp out student athletes for millions of dollars a year. And then there is the NCAA that does not allow any of these funds to profit the athletes themselves. Who exactly is the bad guys here? Maybe the Universities who are nothing more then glorified pimps and the NCAA Nazis that they answer to!!!!!!!

wrestling1, I have been seeing this type of uninformed comment across message boards dealing with this subject, but yours is the first here. Congrats.

First of all, wrestling isn't/wrestlers aren't exploited for millions of dollars. Infact, most programs are heavily tax supported, and even then still have to do a significant amount of fund raising. Your comments are truly from an individual who has never had to look down the barrel of Title IX. Those of us who have are just thankful for the opportunity to compete.

Second, you have missed the bus on this one. These two made a poor decision, broke NCAA rules, and are now being punished. The morality factor is just a source of embarrassment for everyone involved, mostly the University of Nebraska.

Third, I think you would be enlightened to learn about the NCAA legislation process. The NCAA is kinda like FUBU only FABA: for athletes, by athletes. Proposed legislation is made up by various committees within the NCAA comprised of ad's, institution presidents, and s-a's. NCAA staff is merely there to make sure everything runs smoothly. Every s-a within the NCAA has a s-a representative that has an extremely powerful voice within this legislative process. Every institution gets one vote in every proposed piece of legislation, and only NCAA institutions get to vote. Every time there is a proposal to compensate s-a's it is almost unanimously defeated, and almost unanimously supported by the s-a voice. There was a proposal a few years ago to do away with the exact NCAA violation these two are guilty of breaking. It was almost unanimously defeated on the convention floor (place of official vote) an outcome that was almost unanimously supported by s-a.

Conclusion: Amateur status is preferred by s-a.

Finally, the NCAA is a non profit organization. Any and all funds go to allowing the NCAA to function, sponsor championships, and provide the best possible student-athlete experience...that is what it is all about

Now I understand that- IF TRUE- this is a PR nightmare, but didn't a female Olympic swimmer pose for Playboy and didn't Mark Spitz pose in a banana-hammock passing as a swimsuit?

Would the outrage be anywhere near as great if these guys were filmed "gettin' freaky" with Pamela Anderson or would they just be viewed as more "heroes of the underground?"

And save the homophobic attacks- I'm straight.

I guess I continue to be amazed by the continual attempts by some to justify what these two did.

Some "female olympic swimmer" and "Mark Spitz" are not the standard by which the NCAA and Univeristy of Nebraska measure individuals. Like the guy who is in charge of the site said, "other athletes have posed for his site before, but didn't get caught." These two did get caught doing something against the rules these two chose to subject themselves to, and there are consequences to that.

We don't need to pass judgement, They have been judged by those who they chose to be subject to (the NCAA and NU athletic dept). We don't need to make them victoms of some pc war either. Let them learn the lessons available here, and we can salvage at least some good out of the situation.