husker 40 and I tried to offer some corrective critism (delays that could be shorted by using open mats and getting brackets to the tables quicker). Aren't suggestions a good thing?

bccdavid,
You and husker40 did offer corrective criticism that would be in the best interests of those involved with operating the Classic to address. It is in our best interest(NE wrestling community) to have a national tournament in our own back yard, that is successful and continues to draw top talent to compete against. You both also mentioned not returning again, which I hope that you do. I am neither fore or against the UNK program, but am for a successful national tournament in NE and one that gives back to the wrestling community. Case in point, the TOC's in Omaha seemed to have a good thing going a couple of years ago and has since begun to decline in numbers, although there's still good competition attending. They seem to have the same problems reoccur each year. I hope that is not the case for the Classic and the organizers have seen your posts and take heed.

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Originally posted by bccdavid:
husker 40 and I tried to offer some corrective critism (delays that could be shorted by using open mats and getting brackets to the tables quicker). Aren't suggestions a good thing?

Sounds a lot like Bulldog and the Qwest Center/Omaha "problem" he sees.

Did you write a note to Coach Bauer about your concerns? Or are you just expecting him to come here and read it or worse yet somebody else let him know. His e-mail and phone number are all over the wrestling page at lopers.com. Or do you want someone else to do that for you too?

We are interested to see the letter you send regarding your concerns. Then maybe others with the same concerns will write too. If he gets enough of the same complaints, he's more likely to address the problem.

Or are you like Bulldog and just whine to the 300-500 people who read this forum expecting someone else to do the work to get your problems addressed?

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Sounds a lot like Bulldog and the Qwest Center/Omaha "problem" he sees.

Did you write a note to Coach Bauer about your concerns? Or are you just expecting him to come here and read it or worse yet somebody else let him know. His e-mail and phone number are all over the wrestling page at lopers.com. Or do you want someone else to do that for you too?

We are interested to see the letter you send regarding your concerns. Then maybe others with the same concerns will write too. If he gets enough of the same complaints, he's more likely to address the problem.

Or are you like Bulldog and just whine to the 300-500 people who read this forum expecting someone else to do the work to get your problems addressed?

Wow! Thanks for assuming I'm just a complainer and need to be treated like a child JOH (whining). Great way to shut down honest, open communication here at Huskermat.

For your information I did provide this information to a UNK official (I could not find Coach Bauer at the time that we were leaving and did not feel like an inpersonal note would be the best way to communicate my concerns for improving the tournament). Y

Not shutting anything down bccdavid. Just challenging you to right a wrong you perceive in a way that will be much more effective than posting your complaints on a message board. It is good that you spoke to a "UNK Official". But was it the Tournament Director or someone similar? Will telling that person produce the same results as speaking with by phone (there's nothing impersonal about a phone call) or communicating via e-mail (still not impersonal as far as I'm concerned) with Coach Bauer? I doubt it.

And Jac (see, it's not that hard to use the shift key), reason is nothing to laugh out loud about. Oh, and FYI, "The Voice of Reason" hasn't been seen around here in a number of years. He had a lot of very good input way back when but has chosen to change his name or disappeared completely. Or are you just sticking up for another Central City folk?

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Originally posted by JOH:

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Originally posted by bccdavid:
husker 40 and I tried to offer some corrective critism (delays that could be shorted by using open mats and getting brackets to the tables quicker). Aren't suggestions a good thing?

Sounds a lot like Bulldog and the Qwest Center/Omaha "problem" he sees.

Did you write a note to Coach Bauer about your concerns? Or are you just expecting him to come here and read it or worse yet somebody else let him know. His e-mail and phone number are all over the wrestling page at lopers.com. Or do you want someone else to do that for you too?

We are interested to see the letter you send regarding your concerns. Then maybe others with the same concerns will write too. If he gets enough of the same complaints, he's more likely to address the problem.

Or are you like Bulldog and just whine to the 300-500 people who read this forum expecting someone else to do the work to get your problems addressed?

Hey JOH if you want to bash me fine but have the guts to do it face to face. I only report what I see,and if you want to have a woody over a state tournament that draws 9500 to the finals have at it.

Still waiting on those letters to the OWH, the Chamber of Commerce and the proposals to the NSAA that you have written that we can repeat and or get behind Craig.

Until then, your comments are just more of the same old thing and irrelevant.

bccdavid is whining to the wrong folks. I'm sorry you can't see that. He needs to contact Coach Bauer directly but seems unwilling to do so.

My "whining" about your typing has a direct impact doesn't it?. I whined directly to you not to a message board hoping that you would get the message and make the changes.

See the difference?

Of course not, bccdavid is from Central City.

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Originally posted by smithjac:
what difference does it make where he's from and you will never have a direct impact on me

But I did have an impact on you or you wouldn't have responded!

Let me type a little slower so you can get the concept here. I made a statement directly to you. Therefore that statement had a direct impact didn't it? You chose not to do anything about it but it was directed at the person responsible not a bunch of folks that couldn't do anything about it.

Compare that to what bccdavid and husker40 are doing. They are posting on a message board hoping that Coach Bauer might hear about their concerns. In other words, maybe someone else will gripe and get these things changed instead of me doing it.

Which one is more effective?

One more question. Why haven't you jumped in the middle of other conversations where I have challenged posters to let the people who can do something about it know what their concerns are? It seems you only jumped in when someone who had CC attached to them was challenged.

Coincidence? I think not.

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Originally posted by JOH:
Still waiting on those letters to the OWH, the Chamber of Commerce and the proposals to the NSAA that you have written that we can repeat and or get behind Craig.

Until then, your comments are just more of the same old thing and irrelevant.

I did send the Omaha Chamber of Commerce a nice letter stating that it would be helpful to teams and fans if they could put together a flyer to help make the state tournament a better experience. I have talked to enough people with the NSAA and on the district boards to know that there is a major problem at state and are going to be working on it. They are not happy that an event that once had to turn people away at the door has had it's attendance shrink.

You might think what I am saying is irrelevent, however a lot of other people know that something isn't quite right with state and are working on finding solutions. State will stay in Omaha for the time being as it should as the Qwest is a great facility, it just needs to have better attendance.

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Originally posted by smithjac:
you win,but do feel free to introduce yourself sometime

It's not about winning and losing and I doubt we will ever have the opportunity to introduce ouselves. It's about making the complaints heard by the people who can actually do something about it, not just some folks on an interntet message board. If one can type their complaints on Huskermat, they can find the e-mail and phone number of the person that can actually make a difference. If they can't find the name, number and e-mail, they can ask about it here and will probably get multiple responses. Too many people today want someone else to solve their perceived problems. Not a lot of people are willing to pick up the flag and carry it in to battle. I'm just challenging bccdavid, husker40 and Bulldog to carry the flag.

From the response above, it looks like Bulldog has at least taken the first step. I don't think the same can be said for the other two.

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Not shutting anything down bccdavid. Just challenging you to right a wrong you perceive in a way that will be much more effective than posting your complaints on a message board. It is good that you spoke to a "UNK Official". But was it the Tournament Director or someone similar? Will telling that person produce the same results as speaking with by phone (there's nothing impersonal about a phone call) or communicating via e-mail (still not impersonal as far as I'm concerned) with Coach Bauer? I doubt it.

First, you are trying to shut me down. You're trying to tell me what to do and what not to do.

Second, how I handled was how I felt best. In addition to speaking with a tournament official (I don't know Mark, but a tournament official should be just that), I posted it here because I knew that Midwest Classic officials would be part of the best wrestling foroum in the state. I knew my post would create comments both pro and con - which is great - for the MW Classic officials to see.

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bccdavid is whining to the wrong folks.

Now you've personally attacked me. Why? Does that make your argument more valid. Why don't you stick to the facts or stay out of the forum. You obviously like to insult people to make yourself feel better with comments like:
"Let me type a little slower so you can get the concept here."
"And Jac (see, it's not that hard to use the shift key), . . ."
Why the personal attacks?

Please elaborate how challenging you to let Coach Bauer personally know about your concerns rather than posting here on Huskermat is "shutting you down". I never said that you didn't have valid concerns, I said that you were complaining to the wrong people. I would agree that some folks who are associated with the UNK program do post here but how many read all of the threads? And how many of those will actually pass those concerns on to Coach Bauer? Would it not be that much more effective to communicate directly with Coach Bauer? Kind of like talking to an "associate" at Wal-Mart vs the Manager isn't it?

Be proactive not reactive.

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Originally posted by smithjac:
im sure in the long run they will get on their knees and personally thank you for your superior guidence
what an ego you must have
why wont you introduce ypurself,talk about hiding on a message board

Help us out here Jac. What is it about making your concerns known to the person who can actually make a difference that equates to "superior guidance". Last I knew, that was doing the right thing.

There is nothing about ego here. It is all about doing for yourself rather than having someone else do it for you. If you are not making direct contact with the top person in charge, you are not doing enough.

JOH: Seems ironic that you're telling me how to properly handle my disappointment with the MW Classic & not to post it to the HuskerMat forum, yet you don't follow your own advise. I went back and looked at your prior posts. Seems most are negative, telling other people what to do, starting rumors, etc.

Here's one that's got to be your lowest posts on HuskerMat.

adamkeiswetter,
Have you kept up on this post? Could you please see to it that Coach Bauer knows of these concerns, thanks.

Wow,

One great tournament and 1-2 bad comments = a whole lot of woulda,coulda,shouldas...

Folks, I am telling you staight up, go to this tournament and deal with the whatever inconsistencies that come up. Whatever problems that arise are far less than at other tourneys (refer to my other posts) and its in your backyard.



For the past 10 years that I have been going to tournaments we have yet to go to the perfect, seamless ran tournament.


Deal with it. Or don't wrestle !!!

I appreciate all of the posts in favor of the MW Classic. I'm fairly new to these types of wrestling tournaments (2nd time we attended MW Classic so I'm learning). I'm a stickler for organization and hate chaos and wasted time. What I'm hearing is this is a good tournament compared to others. That tells me most are not run well. That's sad, but I guess I'll have to lower my expectations if I want my sons to experience good competition.