103- Duval Elk - BE open 112- David Seeley BE dec Bryan Pollard Elk 6-5 119- Trevor DeRuitter BE teched Eric Blair Elk 125- Rick Duvall Elk pinned Pat Carr BE :53 130- Nick Nutter Elk pinned Jesse Pendly BE 1:15 135- Dillon McDowell Elk dec AJ Hansen BE 7-6 140- Garrett Buss Elk pinned Eric Stevens BE 5:45 145- Dan Nakai BE dec Drew Marti Elk 13-6 152- Mike Zahm Elk teched Chris Gillium BE 160- Caleb Peasinger Elk maj Mike Washingon BE 11-3 171- Justin Malley BE pinned Scott Thomsen Elk 4:41 189- Troy Stoller Elk pinned Preyston Corey BE 1:54 215- Shawn Gach BE maj Freedom Laymen Elk 15-3 HWT- Jacob Lonowski Elk pinned Nathan Bridges BE 3:10
Nice to know that the Bellevue East wrestlers can break towel dispensers and lockers in the locker room when they get beat. Pendley raced into the locker room after getting pinned and broke the towel dispenser before the assistant coach could get in there, but we don't know who broke the two lockers. Porter should have better control of these kids or they should be off the team. However, after the past week, Porter is probably glad to be moving on, even if the posts on another thread don't believe its an improvement. Hopefully he will have better luck establishing control in Lincoln.
Agreed...a pretty sickening thing to hear about a way a visiting member handles himself. Puts a bad name for the school and the sport. I did hear an administator discussing the matter after the dual~so no rumors here! Mike Zahm looked like a true champion tonight. Looking to see him late sat afternoon on the 22nd.
I don't condon the conduct of the BE wrestler although I was pretty embarrassed to be associated with wrestling with the way the Elkhorn Parents were shouting rude comments to the small assembly of BE Parents that made the trip, Elkhorn should teach the parents some sportsmanship or maybe their kids sportsmanship should rub off on them. Wrestlihg junkie that was in attendance to watch supporting neither team.
I'm curious to know if BE had a 112lbr in the line up before Phillips didn't make weight. I would be thouroughly disappointed if a coach moved out a wrestler who did his job by making weight and rewarded a wrestler that did not make weight by moving him up! I'm not saying this is the case, just asking. Any coach who would do has absolutely no ethics whatsoever. Agree or disagree? Would you bump another player out of the line up because it might help you win?
I don't think Phillips will be able to wrestle at Districts now at 103. He has to have fifty percent of his weigh-ins at 103 and he wrestled all season at 112. I wonder if his coaches will try to beat the system like North did?
How can the BE Coach continue to let this individual wrestle, hasn't he ben DQ'd twice this year, now what he did was criminal and he should be held accountable. How can I tell my son what this kid did whatever his name is was wrong when the school administrators for BE and the Coach don't kick this kid off the team for the rest of the season. All I can say is that I hope that my son's school would take swift action and remove such a kid from the line-up if this would ever happen at our school. This kid should have been arrrested on the spot and held accountable both criminally and finacially. Sounds like BE has their priorities in the wrong spot. They should be teaching these wrestlers how to become respectable men and women , right from wrong, school work comes first, etc.. Dress respectfully like the old day, show up for meeets in at least a shirt and tie. Maybe things would be different other than the thugs like this BE kid.
The above comment about Elkhorn Parents is way off base. This was parents night for Elkhorn, and for the 15 minutes before the match, we were in the hallway waiting to be introduced. After the national anthem, we got back in the stands. AT NO TIME DID ELKHORN PARENTS ADDRESS COMMENTS - POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE - TO THE BELLEVUE EAST PARENTS.
Regarding a coach allowing an overweight wrestler to push out another - I would agree. if you don't make weight, you should sit out, and if the team loses, then the burden of that team loss should be shouldered by the kids who fail to make weight. This is a coaching ethics issue, and punishes the kid who works hard in practice to wear the varsity singlet, and then gets pushed aside by a self-centered wrestler who can't exercise the self control to make weight.
don't be makin bold brash across the board statements BR! I was there and there was some negative talk. guess you got some good old fashioned selective hearing. but then we all know that the elkhorn fans are right next to godliness. got any extra halo's for a wayward BE person?
David Seeley is their normal 112 guy. He worked hard in order to make weight. He was never even told by the coach that he would not be wrestling, Matt Phillips told him. David was very disappointed, but he went out and wrestled a good JV match. I think it was a strategic move because Polland would have crushed David, whereas Phillips won 6-5.
In my opinion, this is terrible. We need to realize that this is just a game! Coaches are supposed to be mentors, leaders,etc. When they kick one athlete out of the line up and replace him with another, that's bad. When the replacement is someone who let the team down by not doing his job, and is rewarded, this is disgusting.
Make sure you have all the information before you cast judgement. Unless you walk in this coaches shoes and face what he faces, then you have no business judging him! Sad state of affairs when we condemn what we know nothing about. I hope nobody judged the Skutt coaches when their wrestler missed weight at their own invite. Or that a wrestler was caught chewing. or that another wrestler was over 12lbs over the week of a meet and couldn't make weight or that a parent injured a wrestler on the team. Wouldn't be fair to judge, right? So don't!
There are times when bumping a varsity wrestler by having a good wrestler move up a weight class to help the team in a dual or tournament is the proper 'team' move. That is part of the team aspect of wrestling. However, if a wrestler moves up and bumps another varsity wrestler because he was overweight - even if that gives the team a better lineup, then this is not right. The question to ask is whether or not that wrestler was going to bump up anyway. If not, then a coach is not being fair to the varsity wrestler who gets bumped - who works every day in the wrestling room just like the other kid, and makes weight. Not letting an overweight wrestler bump up sends the right message to all the wrestlers on the team, varsity and JV, that if you commit to making a weight, then you owe it to the team to make weight.
I don't know if you coach or not. I help out, but don't have any control of any program. However, there are coaches out there who are well respected who have dual rules vs tournament rules. The rules, if I can paraphrase, are something like this. During any dual competition, it is the coaching staffs' full right to control who goes where in order to try to win a dual. During tournament competition, wrestle off results rule the day. So in the case of the 103 who missed weight. By this coach's rule, the head coach or staff could move the 103 up to 112 to secure a win when maybe it would be a loss. When in tournament play, if the 103 misses weight, he is simply out of the tournament. I, for one, think this is a decent policy. What is the policy where you come from?
"Guest", if that rule is written down and all team members understand it, that's not too bad. I still totally disagree with it, because once again, the coach is sending out a message that says, "Winning is the only thing that counts". However, if everybody knows this going in, what can you do?
If the coach were worried about winning at all costs, then it would be the same rule for tournaments as for duals. Right? I think the dual format is so much different than tournamemt play. Duals would seem to be about matchups and strategies while a tournament is for each kid to get the highest place he can get. Allowing a coach to adjust the lineup is like a basketball coach putting different lineups on the court to match up with the opponent. So my point is that there has to be much more latitude with dual situations. And who knows, the BE coach might have said to the 112 kid: "do you want to wrestle in this dual or do you think the other kid might have a better chance." The kid might have said: " coach, let him wrestle, I will gladly sit this one out."
"Baron" I love it when you guys take a post about one topic and respond to something completely different. We were wondering about the moral value of replacing a hardworking varsity wrestler with one that did not make weight just because he might be better. Your post talked about wrestlers who did not make weight and sat out! You talked about suspensions, parents wrestling, etc. What does that have to do with this string of posts?
Baron, according to an earlier post, the BE 112 lbr was told by Phillips and was "very disappointed". Once again, I will state that if this truly was the way things happened, that it stinks.
I absolutely agree with a coach making a strategy move in a dual to create the best matchup possible for a team win. It is a team sport as well as individual. However, if a wrestler comes in overweight for a dual, then it is not the coach who has selected the strategy, but the overweight wrestler! This overweight wrestler has forced the coach and the team to adjust weights - which is not right. To further clarify my thoughts, when a coach prepares for a dual, he knows who the tougher opponents are, so he should at least think about the strategy of moving weights. If, in the coaches opinion, the best move is to slide the wrestler up a weight, then the wrestlers involved should be made aware of the coaching strategy that might be used. Even if a coach thinks about this move, he cannot use that move effectively if the wrestler doesn't make his original weight. Once the kid is overweight for his proper weight class, the coach no longer has the choice of leaving him there or moving him for the better of the team! This means that the coach must replace him at the weight he was supposed to make, and then reward the overweight wrestler by letting him bump a teammate. At that point, the good of the team is not the TEAM WIN, but to establish the rule that you select your weight, win your wrestle-off, and then make weight. That policy gives the coach the control over strategy in a dual!
