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Originally posted by letsgo:
of coarse they wouldn't have, they are dodging MS and we know it. they run to Iowa and wrestling iowa city W/ Oak park, they run to Platte County, they go and hide at the Toshiba Classic in KC. instead of wrestling that National level talent I would like to see them run up to Pender and wrestle a 9 team class D dual. now that's a meat grinder!

Is that the SAME Millard South team they beat year in and year out at the Skyhawk Classic the weekend before districts???

I don't know...I'm just askin'...

Miracle, the coaches can talk to any kid they want and encourage them to attend Skutt by any means they choose. They cannot offer them any incentives such as tuition. They have to get kids to come to that school somehow, every private school does it.

Don't Know, you really Don't Know because Millard South didn't have 1 champ at the Skutt invite nor did they even get the runner-up trophy. The Runner Up went to a team that didn't make runner-up in Class B. What makes you think Class A would fare so much better they don't seem like they could do it. So your saying ANY team in Omaha area needs to move up to A? So Gross, Roncalli, Omaha Lutheran, Mount Michael, Gretna all need to move up with Skutt because they all in Omaha. No one complains about them being in Class B.

Well said DSWITZ .

I was sitting with the Bellevue East team and I made sure everyone of them gave a standing ovation to Tyler. I dont care about if Skutt does or doesn't recruit, 4 state titles isnt handed to ANYONE no matter what school you go to. All the hard work he did in my eyes he deserves it. Good Job Tyler

Post it again DSwitz, post it repeatedly until you're sure its actually been read and understood!

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Originally posted by dswitz:
With the advent of the option enrollment statute the classification of schools should not be based on the enrollment in the school but rather upon the demographic from which the school draws its students: That is the substance of the complaint form the smaller-town schools and I think it is valid.

It's going to be interesting next fall when Brownell Talbot's 8 man football team lines up against Millard North or Central. The rules say they must have 7 men on the line of scrimmage. That means the QB will be in the backfield alone. It will be pretty tough to run any type of misdirection play. It doesn't seem real fair but they chose to build in the largest city in Nebraska.

Mr. Grande,
I didn't say skutt paid for kids to attend, actually all I said was they don't have jr highs so they need to go out and get kids to attend their school. Try to read it again, maybe you misunderstood

I am sorry miracle, didn't mean to post it directly at you. Just putting it in the future because it typically has someone come back saying they give away benefits to their wrestlers.

I applaud all of the Skutt wrestlers for all of their hard work and dedication they put forth. My son wrestled with all of them on a national dual team and feel they are great ambassadors for Nebraska wrestlers.

Jealousy I say, Jealousy!

Our class B school clapped for Sackett!

Well since you are just asking NWI and taking into consideration your age and the possibility that your judgement is getting clouded. A tournament with a few teams where some kids actually got byes into the finals has absolutely no relevance compared to a State Tournament format. I have absolutely no jealousy it is a fact that Skutt would not dominate Class A! Could the team that finished second in class B place in the top 10 in A? Just asking

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Originally posted by Frank Ryan:

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Originally posted by dswitz:
With the advent of the option enrollment statute the classification of schools should not be based on the enrollment in the school but rather upon the demographic from which the school draws its students: That is the substance of the complaint form the smaller-town schools and I think it is valid.

It's going to be interesting next fall when Brownell Talbot's 8 man football team lines up against Millard North or Central. The rules say they must have 7 men on the line of scrimmage. That means the QB will be in the backfield alone. It will be pretty tough to run any type of misdirection play. It doesn't seem real fair but they chose to build in the largest city in Nebraska.

Frank in one post you say small schools can compete with large schools and in the next you say they can't make up your mind, lol you can not have it both ways

In thinking further about the issue, private schools in larger cities have always had the option to pull kids from big populations so they should have always been classified class A.

Indeed, the enrollment statute has leveled the playing field between the public and private schools in terms of "recruiting " options, but,the NSAA not brought their classification rules in line with modern law-something that really should have been done long ago due to private schools in large cities and their attendant recruiting bases.

As to the Brownell-Talbot problem, BT chose to locate that school in Omaha because this town had enough people with the resources to consistently pay the tuition. Students don't go there for the athletics and if BT can't field a team that can exist in class A, nothing is really lost by eliminating the activity as it was not a draw for the school anyway e.g. Northwestern University can't effectively compete in football with Ohio State and Michigan but still remains in the Big Ten.

This conversation can go a million different ways. The one thing that will always ring true is if a coach wants to be successful they will have to work hard for that. With the advent of option enrollment has come club teams that feed certain programs. The problem with this is that certain coaches don't do clubs and their program suffer. If you think that BT can't compete with MN in football that is true but neither can Northwest or South. If your program is not at the top then look at what is being done to be competitive.

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Originally posted by wrestling1:
Well since you are just asking NWI and taking into consideration your age and the possibility that your judgement is getting clouded. A tournament with a few teams where some kids actually got byes into the finals has absolutely no relevance compared to a State Tournament format. I have absolutely no jealousy it is a fact that Skutt would not dominate Class A! Could the team that finished second in class B place in the top 10 in A? Just asking

wrestling1 - Skutt would not dominate Class A the way it has Class B for the last several years, I will concede that. However, I'd be willing to bet that the majority of the last 11 teams Skutt has won Class B titles with would more than hold its own against the best Class A teams in each of those years.

And, in fact, the last two Skutt teams have BEATEN Millard South in a major tournament format, which tells me they would probably have won Class A - if not finished in the top 2-3 - in 2007 and 2008.

And for the record, I'm not only a lot older than you give me credit for, but I'm about as unbiased for OR against ANY program in the state of Nebraska. Like them or not, Skutt has set the bar very high and those who criticize based on flimsy, if not invisible, evidence of alleged wrongdoing on Skutt's part are wasting time that could be better spent working a little harder trying to, as they used to say in my younger days, build a better mousetrap that could unseat Skutt from its perch.

And in an effort to get this thread back on topic, let me voice my disappointment to those who feel the need to boo a high school kid from ANY school, regardless of where they come from. Unless they do something to deserve such behavior (flipping opposing fans off, for instance - and I have SEEN the picture of that incident, BTW), people who treat opposing schools' athletes in such a manner really need to stay home. This is too great a sport and these kids work too damn hard to be treated in such a manner by people who lack the intelligence to recognize that these are NOT paid professionals, but teenage children busting their butts in an athletic endeavor that they enjoy.

Skutt would of crushed class A the past 4 or five years not even close. That is not even up for debate. Any one that thinks otherwise should be banned from this site for ignorance.


When you said you think that Skutt won because of byes I squirted milk out my nose and mouth all over my computer one of the funniest posts ever! Thanks

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Originally posted by scrambler:
Skutt would of crushed class A the past 4 or five years not even close. That is not even up for debate. Any one that thinks otherwise should be banned from this site for ignorance.

If we banned ignorance from this site, there might be 4-5 people left on this board. And, to be quite honest, I'm not all that certain I'd be one of those 4-5.

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When you said you think that Skutt won because of byes I squirted milk out my nose and mouth all over my computer one of the funniest posts ever! Thanks

I'm still trying to clean the splattered spaghetti sauce out of my keyboardddddddddddddd

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Originally posted by Mark Martin:

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Originally posted by Frank Ryan:

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Originally posted by dswitz:
With the advent of the option enrollment statute the classification of schools should not be based on the enrollment in the school but rather upon the demographic from which the school draws its students: That is the substance of the complaint form the smaller-town schools and I think it is valid.

It's going to be interesting next fall when Brownell Talbot's 8 man football team lines up against Millard North or Central. The rules say they must have 7 men on the line of scrimmage. That means the QB will be in the backfield alone. It will be pretty tough to run any type of misdirection play. It doesn't seem real fair but they chose to build in the largest city in Nebraska.

Frank in one post you say small schools can compete with large schools and in the next you say they can't make up your mind, lol you can not have it both ways

I said that small schools that want to work hard and build a great program can compete with larger schools, and do in both Iowa and Nebraska. What bothers me is that some people want to protect schools of all sizes who don't want to pay the price to become a good program. "Don't cut to 3 classes because my school won't be able to compete". "Don't bring any more schools to Class A because we can't compete with those larger B schools who will come into our class."

What they don't seem to realize is that they are not competing now.

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Originally posted by dswitz:
In thinking further about the issue, private schools in larger cities have always had the option to pull kids from big populations so they should have always been classified class A.

Indeed, the enrollment statute has leveled the playing field between the public and private schools in terms of "recruiting " options, but,the NSAA not brought their classification rules in line with modern law-something that really should have been done long ago due to private schools in large cities and their attendant recruiting bases.

As to the Brownell-Talbot problem, BT chose to locate that school in Omaha because this town had enough people with the resources to consistently pay the tuition. Students don't go there for the athletics and if BT can't field a team that can exist in class A, nothing is really lost by eliminating the activity as it was not a draw for the school anyway e.g. Northwestern University can't effectively compete in football with Ohio State and Michigan but still remains in the Big Ten.

I take exception to the statement that nothing is lost if BT eliminates football. If athletics aren't a part of the educational process they should not be sponsored by our schools. I believe that athletics are a very important part of our educational process and should be encouraged, not eliminated because "they aren't a draw".

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I said that small schools that want to work hard and build a great program can compete with larger schools, and do in both Iowa and Nebraska. What bothers me is that some people want to protect schools of all sizes who don't want to pay the price to become a good program. "Don't cut to 3 classes because my school won't be able to compete". "Don't bring any more schools to Class A because we can't compete with those larger B schools who will come into our class."

What they don't seem to realize is that they are not competing now.[/QUOTE]


So what you are say is that If BT coached worked harder he could get his team to compete and win a state title in class A football please how can you have schools that have for example baseball millard west has 100+ try out for 20 spots,tell me a team that has 24 even go out will beat them on a regular basis and don't say get more to try out some schools don't even have 100 boys in the school.

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Originally posted by NWI:
And in an effort to get this thread back on topic, let me voice my disappointment to those who feel the need to boo a high school kid from ANY school, regardless of where they come from. Unless they do something to deserve such behavior (flipping opposing fans off, for instance - and I have SEEN the picture of that incident, BTW), people who treat opposing schools' athletes in such a manner really need to stay home. This is too great a sport and these kids work too damn hard to be treated in such a manner by people who lack the intelligence to recognize that these are NOT paid professionals, but teenage children busting their butts in an athletic endeavor that they enjoy.

Very well said, you should be cheering for the young man and what HE has accomplished!!