Every year I see this hue and cry for seeding at state. Show us how easy it is so the 2 best kids don't meet on Friday night. If you want to seed the entire tournament more power to you. But if you are going to enter you must seed at least the first or last 7 matches in a class. ie, Class A 103 through 140, Class D 145 through 285, etc. Give us the complete bracket in the format shown on the NSAA website. Put your #1 seed on line 1, #2 on line 16, #3 on line 9, and #4 on line 8. If you want to seed 8 then #5 on line 5, #6 on line 12, #7 on line 13, and #8 on line 4. When you are done seeding draw the rest. Post the complete 16 line bracket. It will be tough to do, and in some cases it won't be possible, but we will try to compare scores, find they met some place else in the tournament, etc. I'm calling for at least 7 matches to avoid cherry picking. There are a few brackets where there are several kids who stand far above the rest of the qualifiers and are pretty much "upset proof". You could hit on those and say, "See, I told you so." Let's see what you can do on those brackets that don't have a lot of "upset proof" wrestlers.

The thing is, people see two undefeated wrestlers or 1 loss wrestlers on the same side and they don't like it at that weight, but at others they are thankful they drew away from the "studs". It's an imperfect system but seeding it would not be easy and still would not please everyone. Just my two cents!

Why not just use the same criteria you use for seeding districts except only seed the 4 district champions?

If the seeding comittee cant do any better than we do as coaches at the district meets, it wouldn't be a big improvement. Ross, I assume you've sat in on a few, so know what I'm talking about.We can't even all agree on what the criteria are, much less follow them.

The four brackets used for state are fine and do a great job allowing for district finalists to be state finalists a week later if they are truly the best two kids in the state. I just don't know that it should be a random draw, which one of the four brackets is used. If there are two kids that are 42-0 on the season they shouldn't randomly be placed on the same side. Use a panel of 5 people to decide which one of the four brackets should be used for each weight class, showing only the records of the four district champions and then have them pick one of the two brackets that pits the two best records on opposite sides. Its just an idea.......... in class C I'll try it..........

2009 State Wrestling First Round Pairings--Class C

Names are listed in order for a 16-man bracket--#1 meets #2, #3 vs. #4, etc. Information in parentheses: Wins-Losses-Grade in school.

103 (LEAVE AS IS)
1. Dakota Pariset, Centennial (25-11-9)
2. Jose Tovar, Madison (10-17-12)
3. Brandon Trout, Mitchell (37-7-10)
4. Robert Hoy, South Central Nebraska Unified (25-5-9)
5. Kirby Pomplun, Sargent/Burwell (33-8-9)
6. Christian Nielsen, Wood River (34-8-10)
7. Dylan Abolins, Bishop Neumann (20-11-9)
8. Braden McCurdy, North Bend Central (24-2-9)
9. Anthony Pacheco, Kearney Catholic (31-4-9)
10. Seth Smedra, Ord (21-14-11)
11. Alexander Zeiger, Wilber-Clatonia (22-7-10)
12. Lake Thompson, Battle Creek (30-7-9)
13. Mitchell Kliegl, Conestoga (20-12-9)
14. Christian Gallardo, Wakefield (30-6-10)
15. Jesse Retzlaff, Gordon-Rushville (20-15-9)
16. Connor Bolling, Central City (34-0-9)
112 (SWITCH ONE QUADRANT ON TOP WITH ONE ON BOTTOM)
1. Jordan Fowlkes, Newman Grove (39-0-12)
2. Jesse Hays, Southern Valley (26-11-10)
3. Tyler Guernsey, Malcolm (25-9-10)
4. Austin Starkey, St. Paul (31-5-9)
5. John Bader, Centennial (33-4-11)
6. Austin Welty, Gibbon (26-16-10)
7. Andy Doerr, Creighton/Verdigre (26-14-11)
8. Shawn Nagel, Kimball (37-0-11)
9. Eric Knight, Central City (30-4-9)
10. Brandon Roath, Palmyra (21-10-11)
11. Eric Bopp, Valentine (23-13-11)
12. Karl Bonner, Battle Creek (28-4-11)
13. Keagon Blanco, Mitchell (37-7-10)
14. Chris Biermann, Wisner-Pilger (35-5-12)
15. Zachary Small, Hastings St. Cecilia (28-13-9)
16. Zachary Kliegl, Conestoga (24-7-12)
119 (LEAVE IT)
1. Dakota Holt, Sargent/Burwell (22-3-11)
2. Charles Stierwalt, Southern (16-16-11)
3. Caleb Franklin, Oakland-Craig (33-4-11)
4. Spencer Hoevet, Ord (16-5-12)
5. Jeff Green, West Point-Beemer (34-1-11)
6. Kevin Smith, Central City (33-2-10)
7. Toby Thompson, Loomis/Bertrand (17-9-10)
8. Brody Welchert, Fort Calhoun (28-1-10)
9. Dominic Miller, Crofton (35-3-10)
10. Justis Stolz, Grand Island Central Catholic (14-6-12)
11. Jade Sandoz, Valentine (20-14-9)
12. Tyler Olson, Palmyra (23-9-10)
13. CinJin Faber, Kearney Catholic (27-12-12)
14. Jake Bruss, Wilber-Clatonia (24-12-10)
15. Sheldon Boschen, Newman Grove (37-5-10)
16. Garret Lambrecht, Wood River (39-1-10)
125 (LEAVE IT)
1. Kaintrel Unger, Madison (32-4-10)
2. Nathan Pfortmiller, Mitchell (31-15-10)
3. Shane Perrigo, Fort Calhoun (25-6-10)
4. Logan Williams, Central City (27-4-12)
5. Ben Zeiger, Wilber-Clatonia (30-4-12)
6. Rory Wilkinson, Kenesaw/Shelton (34-3-12)
7. Jake Jessen, Plainview (26-14-10)
8. Nathan Faulkner, Morrill (39-5-12)
9. Joseph Tickle, Hastings St. Cecilia (37-5-10)
10. Dallas Lemmers, Louisville (27-7-11)
11. Jordan Stahla, Kimball (28-11-12)
12. Seth Olson, Tekamah-Herman (28-9-12)
13. Michael Rogers, Kearney Catholic (30-7-11)
14. Nathan Merchen, Crofton (35-8-11)
15. Derek Holt, St. Paul (29-17-10)
16. Shaey Kratochvil, Centennial (37-7-10)
130 (WOW LEAVE IT WOW)
1. Trendon Hinton, Kimball (42-0-11)
2. Kristian Jordan, Malcolm (25-12-12)
3. Jaime Gray, Battle Creek (32-7-10)
4. Josh Albright, Ravenna (35-2-12)
5. Danny Tranmer, Tekamah-Herman (23-10-12)
6. Weston Walton, Grand Island Central Catholic (36-9-11)
7. Joseph Mendez, Bayard (9-4-10)
8. Ryan Pohlman, Raymond Central (37-0-11)
9. Josh Eisenmann, Madison (33-2-11)
10. Josh Dickenson, Central City (15-13-12)
11. Bryce Wiedeman, Mitchell (36-9-9)
12. Collin Mink, Fort Calhoun (27-5-12)
13. Jed Fenske, Sargent/Burwell (31-9-9)
14. Aaron Rerucha, David City (21-2-10)
15. Dalton Bevill, Plainview (28-10-11)
16. Austin Wilson, Hastings St. Cecilia (43-0-10)
135 (LEAVE IT)
1. Tanner Wemhoff, David City (30-9-11)
2. Clay Konicek, West Point-Beemer (24-5-9)
3. Justin Lueth, Chase County (32-7-12)
4. Alex Stepanek, St. Paul (31-8-11)
5. Matthew Klinginsmith, Kearney Catholic (36-4-10)
6. Dale Curran, Grand Island Central Catholic (37-9-11)
7. Thomas Hall, Palmyra (23-13-12)
8. Kyle Ruh, Madison (29-3-11)
9. Caleb Hoyt, Ainsworth (35-1-12)
10. Kaleb Carey, Boone Central (20-12-12)
11. Lance Laug, Johnson County Central (31-9-12)
12. Jordan Nelson, Crofton (32-5-11)
13. Dillon Bates, Wilber-Clatonia (33-7-9)
14. Grant Potadle, Tekamah-Herman (26-11-10)
15. Joe Olson, West Holt (27-14-12)
16. Noland Broekemier, Central City (34-2-12)
140 (LEAVE IT)
1. Kenny Chacon, Fort Calhoun (16-3-11)
2. Jacob Smutny, Madison (30-13-11)
3. Michael Robinson, Kimball (32-9-11)
4. Noah Broekemier, Central City (27-4-12)
5. Connor Blanco, Mitchell (42-2-11)
6. Luke DeLong, Fillmore Central (36-7-9)
7. Curtis Rexroth, HTRS/PC (24-14-11)
8. Teran Boyer, Plainview (33-7-10)
9. Scott Matson, Kearney Catholic (33-6-11)
10. Jared Krueger, Red Cloud/Blue Hill (27-4-10)
11. Mendell Rulla, Johnson County Central (21-7-12)
12. Joe Brown, Oakland-Craig (33-5-11)
13. Matthew Rasmussen, Arlington (32-5-12)
14. Cameron Gaines, Tekamah-Herman (27-9-12)
15. Brett Mauler, Sargent/Burwell (28-16-9)
16. Brandon Starkey, St. Paul (37-3-12)
145 (LEAVE IT)
1. Bill Shumaker, Louisville (20-4-12)
2. Tyler Going, North Bend Central (28-7-11)
3. Chase Hollenbeck, Ainsworth (26-11-12)
4. Curtis Maloney, Wood River (35-7-12)
5. Nick Schrunk, West Holt (34-6-11)
6. Gilbert Van Matre, Gibbon (31-5-12)
7. Taylor Shore, Wilber-Clatonia (20-11-12)
8. Sam Hansen, Tekamah-Herman (34-2-12)
9. Brandon Pacheco, Kearney Catholic (38-8-12)
10. Kameron Lenhart, Central City (32-6-11)
11. Cody Simpson, Conestoga (23-17-11)
12. Kurt Ruh, Madison (32-3-11)
13. Tanner Dey, Centennial (8-8-10)
14. Luke Gasper, Newman Grove (35-10-12)
15. Ryan Gregory, Kimball (34-7-12)
16. Jeremiah Starostka, Grand Island Central Catholic (24-5-9)
152 (LEAVE IT)
1. Willie Schwartzkopf, Mitchell (38-2-10)
2. Troy Hinrichsen, HTRS/PC (30-11-12)
3. Chance Eckmann, North Bend Central (28-7-12)
4. Travis Maresh, Central City (27-10-10)
5. Tanner Marx, Wisner-Pilger (33-6-12)
6. Dylan Gill, Wood River (30-16-12)
7. Julian Ochoa, Bayard (34-4-12)
8. Breckin Coffey, Centennial (38-0-12)
9. Caden Alexander, Plainview (36-1-12)
10. Cody Benge, Gibbon (35-13-11)
11. Gage Gregg, Loomis/Bertrand (34-7-12)
12. Aaron Studebaker, Raymond Central (27-6-9)
13. Garrett Leonard, Valentine (27-8-12)
14. Adam Neumann, Fort Calhoun (26-7-12)
15. Jordan Paulson, West Point-Beemer (25-9-12)
16. Blake Augustyn, Ord (34-2-11)
160 (LEAVE IT wwoww)
1. Jared Treat, North Bend Central (34-0-12)
2. Sean Langin, Chase County (17-13-12)
3. Cole Hartline, Fort Calhoun (32-9-11)
4. Tanner Hawks, Kenesaw/Shelton (34-9-11)
5. Tyler Papa, David City (33-5-12)
6. Levi Dixon, Central City (21-19-12)
7. Collin Crilly, Madison (33-8-11)
8. Michael Klinginsmith, Kearney Catholic (41-0-12)
9. Zachary Starostka, Grand Island Central Catholic (40-1-12)
10. Scott Schmalken, Malcolm (23-13-10)
11. Roy Garza, Mitchell (23-4-11)
12. Landon Pospisil, Creighton/Verdigre (32-6-11)
13. Taylor Gross, Ainsworth (32-8-10)
14. Ross Jensen, Wisner-Pilger (32-8-12)
15. Jerad McLean, Boone Central (17-13-11)
16. Karl Lilley, Palmyra (26-1-12)
171 (LEAVE IT)
1. Trevor Wiebelhaus, Creighton/Verdigre (30-2-12)
2. Jesse Callahan, Hitchcock County/Wauneta-Palis (24-10-12)
3. Taylor Teeter, Fort Calhoun (27-9-12)
4. Joshua Arrants, Gibbon (40-1-12)
5. Kyle Dougherty, Malcolm (25-9-12)
6. Jonathan Martin, Wood River (30-11-11)
7. Craig Kreikemeier, North Bend Central (29-7-12)
8. Jordan Debus, Mitchell (40-3-11)
9. Tyson Sutton, Central City (25-5-10)
10. Tanner Erdman, Johnson County Central (29-8-12)
11. Jeremy Matthews, Chase County (33-5-12)
12. Keaton Bucholtz, Norfolk Catholic (29-9-12)
13. Tracer Hudson, Morrill (34-2-12)
14. Derek Mowinkel, Logan View (31-5-10)
15. Jacob Merrill, Doniphan-Trumbull (32-11-11)
16. Chris Pokorny, David City (32-3-12)
189 (SWITCH ONE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM)
1. Lucas Kastl, David City (22-6-11)
2. Cody Stowe, Norfolk Catholic (29-15-11)
3. Jerome Becker, Southern Valley (8-3-12)
4. Dustin McCord, Wood River (34-8-12)
5. Adam Simpson, Hitchcock County/Wauneta-Palis (27-5-11)
6. Keir Harner, Boone Central (22-13-12)
7. Matthew Ostrand, Arlington (15-10-11)
8. Nathan Wragge, Plainview (34-5-12)
9. Darcy Huffman, Sargent/Burwell (41-1-12)
10. Ben Konen, Hastings St. Cecilia (30-16-11)
11. Keith Chvatal, Bishop Neumann (32-4-12)
12. Brian Tighe, Madison (31-9-12)
13. Billy Pratt, Fort Calhoun (27-8-11)
14. Daniel Copple, Logan View (17-8-12)
15. Kamron Rice, Bayard (21-10-11)
16. Anthony Holroyd, Doniphan-Trumbull (21-2-11)
215 (LEAVE IT OR MAYBE CHANGE IT)
1. Jacob Morten, Loomis/Bertrand (35-1-12)
2. Dustin Bowder, Malcolm (25-13-11)
3. Eli Vosler, North Bend Central (32-3-10)
4. Tyler Salmon, Fillmore Central (37-5-12)
5. Arik Diediker, Laurel-Concord (34-6-12)
6. Aaron Roberson, Wood River (32-11-11)
7. Matthew Merryfield, Kimball (16-12-11)
8. Colton Harper, Arlington (19-3-12)
9. Derek Stone, Newman Grove (39-1-11)
10. Joshua Powell, Kenesaw/Shelton (28-12-11)
11. Kethan Mercure, Valentine (20-18-11)
12. Drew Leonard, Fort Calhoun (19-8-11)
13. Matt Pribil, Gordon-Rushville (29-3-11)
14. Trevor Howe, Yutan (27-12-12)
15. Spencer Mitchell, West Point-Beemer (26-10-12)
16. Jordan Heusinkvelt, St. Paul (37-0-12)
285 (LEAVE IT)
1. Justin Uecker, Lutheran High Northeast (41-2-12)
2. Kirk Fochtman, Gordon-Rushville (21-9-12)
3. Derek Fillipi, Wilber-Clatonia (26-10-11)
4. Zachary Schroder, Grand Island Central Catholic (22-14-12)
5. Derek Enloe, Arlington (27-11-10)
6. Chad Hartman, Gibbon (25-16-10)
7. Izzy Martinez, Madison (27-12-10)
8. Derek Fernau, Valentine (28-10-12)
9. Matthew Costello, St. Paul (25-10-10)
10. Dakota Rojas, Douglas County West (27-10-12)
11. Dakota Vojta, Loomis/Bertrand (26-11-11)
12. Brandon Wills, Plainview (33-5-11)
13. Nathaniel Allen, Ainsworth (27-9-10)
14. Jared Sweet, Logan View (27-6-12)
15. Levi Davenport, Fillmore Central (30-13-12)
16. John Wonka, Bishop Neumann (30-2-12)

I changed three or four without thinking about how good anyone was, just looking at district champion's records. Did it make it better? Who knows............

In the D-3 district in Elm Creek the coaches, who have head to head, common opponent, and know these wrestlers better than anyone in the state, only had 27 out of 56 seeds correct. I'm not say the coaches did a poor job!!!! I'm pointing out how would anyone without head to head of common opponent in many cases and no way could they know every wrestler, be able to seed the state meet better? This is your motivation as a wrestler to work so hard that no matter where you end up on the state bracket you will win!!! Stop making excuses!!! WORK TO WIN!!!!

As far as the coaches knowing kids better, etc. etc., it doesn't always matter. Some teams wrestle tougher schedules than others and so if you have wrestlers that end up in some sort of a round robin with common opponents and head to head, it goes to the criteria that state has set. In that criteria, you get a point for being a state qualifier or medalist last year. Sorry, but I've never thought that should be used. We don't use it at any other tourney late in the year. So even though coaches may know these kids and really have an idea of who is better, many times it's left up to the state criteria to decide.

It is supposed to go to criteria.It didn't in A-3, thus my comment that as coaches we can't even agree what the criteria is.

A beat B
B has 2 wins over a common with C but didn't meet head to head
C beat A

B is a returning placer
A and C were qualifiers,but not placers

A 38-5 88%
B 25-4 86%
C 23-5 82%

How do you seed it?

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189 should stay how is. Kastl and Huffman will meet in finals. They are the two best in the state.

I think that 135 should be switched. Caleb Hoyt and Noland Broekemier are top two in the state.

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Originally posted by LCmatgurl:
I think that 135 should be switched. Caleb Hoyt and Noland Broekemier are top two in the state.

Maybe they are.......maybe not, be nice to have had that same argument for the last 25 years!!! System is not always fair......remember when Dethlefs and Eckley had to meet in the Semi's??? Best match i ever witnessed and a pure injustice to both as Dethlefs had to settle for 3rd.

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Originally posted by HB:
Why not just use the same criteria you use for seeding districts except only seed the 4 district champions?

What if the two best kids in the state are in the same district??? Then I guess they may or may not be on the same side of the bracket and just because they live near each other and have lets say went 3-3 over the season they get penalized for beating each other and they can smoke the other guys from around the state........the guy that is 37-0 may not truly be better........could go on and on!!! I guess it is what it is and you have to do everything you can to beat whomever steps on the mat with you!