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Originally posted by NWI:
I believe it's possible to seed the ENTIRE tournament, not just the district winners. It would require some effort, but if the NSAA could put some kind of database together and REQUIRE coaches to enter match results from all their varsity wrestlers, it's definitely possible to seed each bracket from 1-16.

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I absolutely agree we need to seed wrestlers at state. Often the best 2 wrestlers meet in quarter-finals and too often they meet in semi-final matches. This is a disservice to our sport.

I understand the counter-argument to be something like "how can we seed wrestlers from across the state when they haven't had head to head or common opponents", but I think this argument is old and should die. Many schools travel and have faced common opponents. It's time to change.

Since I'm on this soapbox, please allow me to continue. I believe the ratings that appear in the newspapers each week are completed by one coach. Now I don't want to take anything away from the coaches that do the ratings (I think they do a fine job) but 1 coach can't know who the best 6 in the state are.

Why not have a pool of coaches from each class rate the wrestlers in their respective classes. I think a pool of 12-20 coaches from different regions of the state would be best and an average would determine the ratings. This would be much like the NCAA football coaches poll. If a coach is not familiar with a wrestler, they can simply "pass" without it hurting the wrestlers rating. The coaches could rotate and volunteer for this poll.

District results should also be sent to these polling coaches so they can update the ratings before the state tournament.

Now back to the state seeding. The state seeding should consider these ratings (if they are done by a pool of coaches) as well as the district results.

I welcome your feedback.

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Originally posted by bccdavid:
I copied and pasted the following from a post I made immediately following this year's State tournament. I don't believe one person commented on my thoughts. I'm new to Husker Mat, so maybe this has been beat to death, but I seriously believe something must be done for the integrity of our sport.

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I absolutely agree we need to seed wrestlers at state. Often the best 2 wrestlers meet in quarter-finals and too often they meet in semi-final matches. This is a disservice to our sport.

I understand the counter-argument to be something like "how can we seed wrestlers from across the state when they haven't had head to head or common opponents", but I think this argument is old and should die. Many schools travel and have faced common opponents. It's time to change.

Since I'm on this soapbox, please allow me to continue. I believe the ratings that appear in the newspapers each week are completed by one coach. Now I don't want to take anything away from the coaches that do the ratings (I think they do a fine job) but 1 coach can't know who the best 6 in the state are.

Why not have a pool of coaches from each class rate the wrestlers in their respective classes. I think a pool of 12-20 coaches from different regions of the state would be best and an average would determine the ratings. This would be much like the NCAA football coaches poll. If a coach is not familiar with a wrestler, they can simply "pass" without it hurting the wrestlers rating. The coaches could rotate and volunteer for this poll.

District results should also be sent to these polling coaches so they can update the ratings before the state tournament.

Now back to the state seeding. The state seeding should consider these ratings (if they are done by a pool of coaches) as well as the district results.

I welcome your feedback.

I want to vote for "Seeding District winners" and "liven up the Parade of Champions" but could only vote for 1.

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Originally posted by Frank Ryan:

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Originally posted by bccdavid:
I copied and pasted the following from a post I made immediately following this year's State tournament. I don't believe one person commented on my thoughts. I'm new to Husker Mat, so maybe this has been beat to death, but I seriously believe something must be done for the integrity of our sport.

quote:

I absolutely agree we need to seed wrestlers at state. Often the best 2 wrestlers meet in quarter-finals and too often they meet in semi-final matches. This is a disservice to our sport.

I understand the counter-argument to be something like "how can we seed wrestlers from across the state when they haven't had head to head or common opponents", but I think this argument is old and should die. Many schools travel and have faced common opponents. It's time to change.

Since I'm on this soapbox, please allow me to continue. I believe the ratings that appear in the newspapers each week are completed by one coach. Now I don't want to take anything away from the coaches that do the ratings (I think they do a fine job) but 1 coach can't know who the best 6 in the state are.

Why not have a pool of coaches from each class rate the wrestlers in their respective classes. I think a pool of 12-20 coaches from different regions of the state would be best and an average would determine the ratings. This would be much like the NCAA football coaches poll. If a coach is not familiar with a wrestler, they can simply "pass" without it hurting the wrestlers rating. The coaches could rotate and volunteer for this poll.

District results should also be sent to these polling coaches so they can update the ratings before the state tournament.

Now back to the state seeding. The state seeding should consider these ratings (if they are done by a pool of coaches) as well as the district results.

I welcome your feedback.

I want to vote for "Seeding District winners" and "liven up the Parade of Champions" but could only vote for 1.

bccdavid,
You are a better computer jockey than I am to be able to copy and paste a previous post. I tried to take one post out of a thread and paste it here but couldn't do it. If you go to the thread by using the following link and then scroll down to my post of March 4 you will have my feedback. Also, if you go up this thread to my post of March 9 you will see more statistics of the validity of seeding from records when we don't have head to head or several good common opponents to compare. You stated that there were head to head and common opponents because teams travel. I think this is fairly accurate in Class A. Because of the small number of teams they have a tendency to meet each other fairly often during the season. I'd like for you to do the statistics on this one. Pick a class, other than A. Pick the 4 semi-finalists in each class and let us know how many head to heads and legitimate common opponents you find. By legitimate common opponents I mean, Wrestler A beat Wrestler C. Wrestler B lost to Wrestler C. Therefore A should be seeded above B. I don't mean, A and B both beat C. A beat C by 2 points and B beat C by 3 points. Therefore B should be seeded above A. That's hogwash. Please do the research and let us know what you find. By the way, I don't know when the printer needs the brackets for the programs but I assume it's probably Monday morning to have the programs printed and delivered when the tournament starts on Thursday morning. Most districts are over around 3:00 PM to 4:00 PM on Saturday so you have about about 40 hours to get the brackets completed. When you give us the results of your research let us know how it took you.
https://huskermat.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7476003901/m/2461047832/p/1
PS If you have a son wrestling, or will have in the next 20 years have your wife start sending the cookies.

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Originally posted by Frank Ryan:

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Originally posted by Frank Ryan:

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Originally posted by bccdavid:
I copied and pasted the following from a post I made immediately following this year's State tournament. I don't believe one person commented on my thoughts. I'm new to Husker Mat, so maybe this has been beat to death, but I seriously believe something must be done for the integrity of our sport.

quote:

I absolutely agree we need to seed wrestlers at state. Often the best 2 wrestlers meet in quarter-finals and too often they meet in semi-final matches. This is a disservice to our sport.

I understand the counter-argument to be something like "how can we seed wrestlers from across the state when they haven't had head to head or common opponents", but I think this argument is old and should die. Many schools travel and have faced common opponents. It's time to change.

Since I'm on this soapbox, please allow me to continue. I believe the ratings that appear in the newspapers each week are completed by one coach. Now I don't want to take anything away from the coaches that do the ratings (I think they do a fine job) but 1 coach can't know who the best 6 in the state are.

Why not have a pool of coaches from each class rate the wrestlers in their respective classes. I think a pool of 12-20 coaches from different regions of the state would be best and an average would determine the ratings. This would be much like the NCAA football coaches poll. If a coach is not familiar with a wrestler, they can simply "pass" without it hurting the wrestlers rating. The coaches could rotate and volunteer for this poll.

District results should also be sent to these polling coaches so they can update the ratings before the state tournament.

Now back to the state seeding. The state seeding should consider these ratings (if they are done by a pool of coaches) as well as the district results.

I welcome your feedback.

I want to vote for "Seeding District winners" and "liven up the Parade of Champions" but could only vote for 1.

bccdavid,
You are a better computer jockey than I am to be able to copy and paste a previous post. I tried to take one post out of a thread and paste it here but couldn't do it. If you go to the thread by using the following link and then scroll down to my post of March 4 you will have my feedback. Also, if you go up this thread to my post of March 9 you will see more statistics of the validity of seeding from records when we don't have head to head or several good common opponents to compare. You stated that there were head to head and common opponents because teams travel. I think this is fairly accurate in Class A. Because of the small number of teams they have a tendency to meet each other fairly often during the season. I'd like for you to do the statistics on this one. Pick a class, other than A. Pick the 4 semi-finalists in each weight and let us know how many head to heads and legitimate common opponents you find. By legitimate common opponents I mean, Wrestler A beat Wrestler C. Wrestler B lost to Wrestler C. Therefore A should be seeded above B. I don't mean, A and B both beat C. A beat C by 2 points and B beat C by 3 points. Therefore B should be seeded above A. That's hogwash. Please do the research and let us know what you find. By the way, I don't know when the printer needs the brackets for the programs but I assume it's probably Monday morning to have the programs printed and delivered when the tournament starts on Thursday morning. Most districts are over around 3:00 PM to 4:00 PM on Saturday so you have about 40 hours to get the brackets completed. When you give us the results of your research let us know how long it took you.
https://huskermat.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7476003901/m/2461047832/p/1
PS If you have a son wrestling, or will have in the next 20 years have your wife start sending the cookies.