Many people claim there are thousands out there that think this is a big deal. I am strictly talking about the kid that doesn't do it ever. Even after they win or lose.

Question:
Is it unsportsmanlike if a kid doesn't shake hands with opposing coach after a match

Choices:
Not unsportsmanlike or don't care!
Yes not shaking hands is unsportsmanlike!

 

I for one thought this horse was dead! Why is this still a hot topic?

Shaking hands with the opposing coach is not a requirement; only the wrestlers before the match starts and at the conclusion of wrestling is required.

If the losing wrestler not shaking hands with the winning wrestler's coach is considered unsportsmanlike, could we take this a step farther and construe that the winning wrestler shaking hands with the opposing coach does so to 'rub his face in it?' This could also be considered a form of taunting/unsportsmanlike conduct

Perhaps the issue with Gilman not shaking hands with the losing wrestler's coach is more an act of humility. He holds that answer.

Back in the day, the team handshake, to include the opposing coaches was conducted AFTER the dual meet.

Let it go. The horse is dead... Long live the horse.

I feel that a wrestler not shaking an opposing coaches hand is a matter of class. Is it proper win or lose to shake an opposing coaches hand out of respect for the opponent and for the oppossing coach? Yes, wrestlers represent their school, coaches, and parents. It is up to the coaches and parents to teach their wrestler class. There is a right and wrong way to conduct yourself and it will carry out for the rest of your life!

I really would like to hear from the coaches on this.

A number of you coaches have stated that you do not care if the opposing kid shakes your hand. As some of you have stated, it is no big deal and it should be totally up to the kid.

If you actually feel this way then why don't you make it a policy on your own team?

And further, why don't you let the public know this is your policy so your kid's don't take the heat alone?

If the audience is going to boo someone--as disgusting as it is--shouldn't it be directed at the coach and not the kid?

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Fellow Wrestling Enthusiasts, standing for the National Anthem is not a mandatory requirement either. Refusal to shake hands with a victorious or vanquished opponent and coach shows lack of respect and is below "bush league". We have allowed radio and television personalities to destroy respect for authority and it trickles down into everyday life, including our sports.

Radio and TV personalities have destroyed respect for authority? So THAT'S where it came from? Come on...



Standing for the national anthem is not in the rule book...but if you're a true American and you're capable of standing on your own two feet, you darn well better be up and directing ALL of your attention at the symbol millions of brave men and women have fought and died for. If they shed their blood for your freedom, the LEAST you can do is get off your lazy butt and spend 60-90 seconds paying respect to that symbol of freedom.

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Standing for the national anthem is not in the rule book...but if you're a true American and you're capable of standing on your own two feet, you darn well better be up and directing ALL of your attention at the symbol millions of brave men and women have fought and died for. If they shed their blood for your freedom, the LEAST you can do is get off your lazy butt and spend 60-90 seconds paying respect to that symbol of freedom.

Ya but your sole purpose out there is to wrestle so who cares what anybody else did that isn't what you are out there for.

Seems to me that some people need to read the Flag Code again. While not "law" it is how things should be done regarding the flag and the National anthem.

Here's a link for those of you interested.



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§171. Conduct during playing
During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

Patriot 152 we did address this at the beginning of the year at Plattsmouth. All we told them is that we want them to be consistent. (Meaning if they win or lose or not at all.) To me it would be ridiculous if they made this an actual rule, but I don't like the other way either like it is in Iowa. Where is probably does need to stop is at duals. Many times the coach is talking with on deck wrestlers and can't be found. After the entire dual is over should be enough.

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Originally posted by MaxCat:
Fellow Wrestling Enthusiasts, standing for the National Anthem is not a mandatory requirement either. Refusal to shake hands with a victorious or vanquished opponent and coach shows lack of respect and is below "bush league". We have allowed radio and television personalities to destroy respect for authority and it trickles down into everyday life, including our sports.

Not even close to the same comparison at not sure if this is just a NE thing or what but I know when I wrestled granted it was in the 70's it NEVER crossed my mind to walk across to shake a opposing coaches hand. I think this ritual with no meaning has not been around that long at all. It does not show disrespect in the least bit to a opposing coach!

I don't understand how this can be thought as disrespectful. For years, collegiate athletes have not shaken the opposing coaches hand immediatley following the match. However, what they do is sprint off the mat and grab their stuff. If it is ok for the collegiate kids to do this, then it should be the same standard for our H.S. kids. If it were a written rule it would be different, but as it is not then there is no argument. Also, I think that in the case of the athlete that everyone is thinking of, Gilman, he considers himself a top tier athlete and carries himself as such. Nobody can argue differently of him being top level talent. If he wishes to wrestle like a collegiate athlete, train like a collegiate athlete, then let him shake hands or not like a collegiate athlete.

"I think that in the case of the athlete that everyone is thinking of, Gilman, he considers himself a top tier athlete and carries himself as such. Nobody can argue differently of him being top level talent. If he wishes to wrestle like a collegiate athlete, train like a collegiate athlete, then let him shake hands or not like a collegiate athlete."

Last time I checked, Gilman is STILL a high school athlete and should conduct himself in a manner befitting that level. While he is certainly the kind of wrestler any college would love to have in their singlets, he is not, at this time, a college wrestler. He can wrestle and train LIKE a college athlete, but until he graduates from high school and enrolls in college...he is still a high school athlete.

They shake hands after the parade of champions, before the match, after the match.....

Clearly that isn't enough of sportsmanship. This state could be pioneers in the sportsman arena by doing away with a post match handshake and requiring a sweaty post match hug. After the match we should require the opposing wrestlers to shake the opposing coaches hand, we should also line up the school administrators for a hand shake, and if the school board isn't busy let's get them down on the floor for a hand shake too (I think guidance counselors would be pushing the envelope, we need to draw a line somewhere).

I think that in special cases, like the state finals, we should line up the parents or guardians for a hand shake as well as girlfriends. In Dominating matches, like a pin or tech fall (but not majors), there should be an opportunity for a formal courtship between the victorious wrestler and the loosing wrestler's girlfriend.

Violator's of this rule should be booed and loathed. They should be blacklisted from future employment in the state as well as be ineligible for future hunting and fishing licenses.

Also, I think we should stop keeping score, and raise booth hands so feelings aren't hurt. everyone gets a medal and wall bracket.

OK, Aaron...I was in agreement with you on everything until you started mentioning the hunting and fishing licenses...that might be going too far there.

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everyone gets a medal and wall bracket.

No trophies, plaques, or certificates?

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OK, Aaron...I was in agreement with you on everything until you started mentioning the hunting and fishing licenses...that might be going too far there.

Got carried away, sorry. Just really passionate about the topic. We'll just suspend them for three years.

At least my idea would require administrators to be there. Not a problem for some schools, but....

Some administrators don't even show up to their team's home duals/tournaments. There would have to be some kind of enticements to get them to come to state...maybe free drinks at the casino?

How about promised votes from the wrestling community for the newest school bond they are pursuing. You know, the one to build a third gym while new mats are purchased via fundraising.

This way we avoid the third party hassle of dealing with the casino.

But we digress, about shaking hands.....

If anyone listened to the Doug and Daddy Show this morning, Mike Schadwinkel made a great point on the show.
And sorry Mike if I don't say it exactly what you said but he said that shaking the coaches hands isn't a big deal, and he would rather have a kid not shake his hand if he's not going to look at him in the eye and shake it like a man. He said that he hates it when kids are upset when they lose and they just go over and slap his hand or something. He said that's a little disrespectful than not shaking his hand.