Varsity Letterman Registered: November 17, 2003 Posts: 850 | If the match was at a Varsity tournement it would be a varsity match and should count . If it was at a JV tournement then it is a JV match and should not count . In the past some kids would wrestle JV early then move up to varsity due to injury or other issue with the Varsity wrestler . They would then try to use the JV record to help with seeding .If the JV record is 20-1 with 5 wins from the JV atending a varsity tourney and the varsity record is 4-2 the District seeding record should be 9-2 . The state of Nebraska is won on your feet . James Berger |
Moderator Location: Good Ole USA Registered: October 24, 2002 Posts: 6303 | Hadn't heard anything about it until this post. Went to the NSAA website and downloaded the Wrestling Manual and sure enough. Here's a link to the manual to read it for yourself... quote: Completelty retarded. Who was the rocket scientist that dreamed this up?? This will hurt both the Varsity and the JV wrestlers. As guest stated, many of the smaller school invitationals include larger school's JV teams, now the smaller schools won't be able to count the matches against a JV kid. At the same time if a kid wrestles JV most of the year but because of illness or injury is competing in the District tournament, they will basically have no record unless they have filled in a tournament or dual earlier in the season. I bet a lot of schools field 2 Varsity teams this year... |
<Fan> | What about the state champion that gets beat? Does he not have to count that as a lose because he lost to a JV wrestler? |
Moderator Location: Good Ole USA Registered: October 24, 2002 Posts: 6303 | On the other side of the coin, a wrestler who IS varsity and would have ended the season with a 30-6 (.833) record but wrestled 10 of those matches against someone else's JV kids going 9-1 ends up being 21-5 (.807) those percentage differences could make a big difference in a District Seeding meeting. I believe this is penalizing the smaller schools way more than it is keeping the "varsity" wins off the JV wrestler's record. Now, many first round matches at a local tournament don't mean anything if a JV kid is involved. Yes, a coach could still count the win (or loss) for seeding in other local tournaments down the road but come district time it means nothing. If you look through results at many of the smaller town tournaments, there are many times 2 or 3 JV squads entered. Some of them doing well in the tournament. Now it will be up to the schools to decide if they want to keep the JV's in the tournament, find other teams to replace them or have a lot more byes in their tournament. I just don't see how this can be good for wrestling overall in the state. |
Moderator Location: Good Ole USA Registered: October 24, 2002 Posts: 6303 | quote: As far as seeding for the District Tournament, that is correct. |
Rookie Registered: October 21, 2002 Posts: 194 | I did not know of this rule until now. This rule will make you think what tournament you will be attending. There are 2 of our tournaments that have JV teams in them and most of the rest fill out their brackets with JV. Will hurt us to go to a tournament and end up losing matches because of this. GO4ZPIN statement is what I would think would be the appropriate rule on this but with the NSAA you can plan on this making to much sence. Would of been nice to know of this ruling coming, could of changed some tournaments to avoid this. |
Novice Location: Lincoln, NE Registered: October 31, 2002 Posts: 245 | I agree this rule could have a big effect on scheduling. Right now our JV team is scheduled to wrestle in two Varsity tournaments. I am wondering if these teams will even invite us back in the future, if they cannot count their matches against our JV wrestlers in their varsity record. I thought the activities association had already addressed the issue of counting matches wrestled as JV against varsity competition. It was my understanding that it was already the case that those could not be considered as part of your record. What determined your varsity record was what level you were wrestling for your team. If you were wrestling on varsity (regardless of what level your opponent was) it counted as a varsity match, if you were not wrestling on varsity it did not. I thought this clarification had taken care of the conflicts at seeding meetings over what constituted a varsity record. Not only does our JV wrestle in varsity meets, when our varsity wrestles in Liberty, Mo, Liberty wrestled their JVs to fill out the brackets. If they do this again next year we will not be able to count those matches on our record. I think this new rule will be bad for both the larger schools and the smaller schools. The smaller schools will have more trouble filling their invites and the larger schools might not be able to get that really tough competition for their JVs. I think this rule is intended to fix a problem that no longer exists and only creates problems. |
Rookie Registered: October 21, 2002 Posts: 194 | Has anyone addressed this in a rules meeting yet? Want to know their reasoning. Looked back at a tournament we attended last year where one of my sons wrestled 2 Jv and 2 Varsity, went 3-1 but with this ruling would of ended up 1-1. Would of killed us in rankings for districts. The bad part is we are in that tournament this year. If this stays in place we will have to leave it. |
Hus World Champion Location: Ord, Nebraska Registered: October 19, 2002 Posts: 3252 | The implications of this rule, as presented and explained here so far, could prove disastrous to scheduling for many, many schools. The more I read this, the more I imagine of its negative impact, the more hard pressed I am to find any positive impact. Can anyone out there put a valid positive spin on this? Can anyone explain just what actually landed this matter in hands of NSAA? Was/is the subject of district seeding being done so unscrupulously that it required NSAA legislation? Does NSAA ask for input right here at home before blanket change of this nature or does this come more from a national perspective? Is it even possible to have reconsidered? |
Junior Varsity Registered: October 22, 2002 Posts: 656 | This is a really stupid rule because we go to a lot of tournaments around here that have JV teams in them. My biggest concern when I heard about this rule though was my JV kids. We do not go to any JV tournaments and the only mat time my JV kids get is when they are allowed to wrestle unattached at tournaments. Now there is no reason for coaches to let them into the tournament, so how do they get matches. I might have as many as 3 kids wrestling JV this year and two of them I will need sometime down the road, but why would they stay out if they don't get to wrestle? |
<Guest> | It appears to me that there may be a large number of kids out there with inflated Career records. |
Rookie Registered: October 21, 2002 Posts: 194 | Inflated career records? Guest do you mean they added their JV matches in when they were not in a varsity tournament? If this is what you are saying then this would be wrong. I hope this is what you are implying. Because otherwise I am taking it as these matches against JV are gimmies. I have seen many a JV wrestler who could be varsity at most other schools. If you think people are padding their records by this you are wrong. |